Big Printing Problem

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:00 am

i have a pdf file which is 100% text, and is 124 KILOBytes in size.

when i print it using Adobe Acrobat, the file size appearing in the print spooler is around 225KBytes

when i print it in PDF-XChange Viewer, the file size appearing in the print spooler is around 5.3 MEGA Bytes (thats MEGA Bytes)

what gives ???????

Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:24 am

Trouble is because for now PDF-XChange viewer prints text as a set of curves. It causes large size of printing job.
Into future releases we will add ability of printing text as text and this trouble will be solved.

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:01 am

approx how many months before this happens??? i like the product a lot, but i also need to print efficiently

Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:11 am

Is this a big problem? Do you see any perfomance degradation because using curves instead of fonts?

benradu · Post by **benradu** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:09 pm

I noticed this problem too.
And yes, this is a problem when you have a bit larger pdf which can result in a 5-600MB print job. This makes the printing very slow.
I still have Acrobat Reader in my computer and many times I quickly open the pdf in Acrobat only for printing.

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:00 pm

ditto - at home i have an old but robust HP printer -- a 1.5 page 150KByte file prints immediately, a 5.5 MEGABYTE file takes forever - and the document is only 1.5 pages!!

i cant use the product, more or less, until this is fixed - that simple

benradu · Post by **benradu** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:57 pm

Well, there are some features you can't find in other programs which can keep you in love with PDFX:
- tabbed interface
- and most important comments and mark-ups for FREE!
Don't leave us

continue to use PDFX, the developers are usually reacting promptly to our reports and is very likely that a fix will be worked soon.

Bhikkhu Pesala · Post by **Bhikkhu Pesala** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:35 am

Just click the button in the bottom right-hand corner to open the document in Adobe Reader, and print from there. Unless you do more printing that reading, that should be fine. If you do do more printing than reading, then you really need a command line for printing PDF documents. I understand that that will also be available in due course.

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:54 pm

that'll do it .. didnt notice it

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:12 pm

um, this is spooky! I don't have Acroread as it's too big, slow and open to exploits.
Instead I use Foxit for opening PDFs from Opera (it opens v. quickly and in most cases I look at the PDF then just close Foxit).

Just looked in PDFX and there was a button for Foxit - damned clever!

Post by **John - Tracker Supp** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:13 pm

Hi,

Yes - this is deliberate - PDF-Xchaneg will allow you to start any alternate PDF Viewing applications registered ion your system as an alternative choice when viewing fiels - if you have Acrobat Reader installed also - if you use the small down arrow in the bottom left of the screen - this will show all possible options.

Hope that helps

hotgold · Post by **hotgold** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:48 pm

Same problem here... it's damn too long! And we create PDFs from autocad for our client. When we want to print, it bugs after sending 3~4Mb!

Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:26 pm

To hotgold: can you provide us sample PDF which causes problems?

t8810012 · Post by **t8810012** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:53 am

Hi,

Do you have any schedule for this issue modification?
Thank you!
Best regards,

Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:33 am

Hi t8810012,

this posting has got a bit 'busy' and confusing,Can you advise which update you are enquiring about ?

thanks

Wamma · Post by **Wamma** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:11 am

Hello,

for me its also a problem that the printfiles gets greater than from other Readers.

+ if you print big pdf files - the print file gets REALY big...and slow

+ if you print to an "PDFCreator" you lose the text and get an image... (ok you can use the save button in PDF X Change, but for some reasons PDFCreator is better...)

Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:58 am

Hi,

1: Improvments to this are coming in Build 2.037 tis weekend 'ish ..

2: It is never a good idea to 'print' a PDF to any PDF Virtual printer - you will lose content potentially - though you should not lose text and images unless the original file does not contain all the required content in the correct format or the embedded fonts etc.

Could zip and provide before/after examples ?

Thanks

Post by **John - Tracker Supp** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:36 pm

Please see :

https://www.pdf-xchange.com/forum/v ... php?t=4069

The beta is now available

Many thanks

tilda · Post by **tilda** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:47 pm

Our company use pdf generated by jasperreport for printing small stickers on barcode printer like Datamax E-4304.
For printing speed up we upload 2-3 commonly used fonts into printer RAM.

Now we need in windows app for interactive printing.
I build test application using PDF-XChange Viewer SDK. Fine!
But printing from XChange Viewer produce a big size spool job (400-600kb vs 30-35kb) with printing time 10-12s vs 1s.
Because printing application must be interactive, such delay critical for us.
Additionaly printing barcode as picture decrease barcode sharpness on thermal-transfer printers.

Will be avaliable printer font usage in future version of XChange Viewer?
(sorry for my english)

Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:37 am

Yes, very soon PDF Viewer will print text using fonts instead of draw it as curves.

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:07 pm

partially related question ..

will the professional version ever have a 'touch-up text' feature (which i find is a requirement of mine and i noticed is missing from the current release), with proper font control throughout (ie with respect to both touch-up and subsequent printing)

-W

Post by **John - Tracker Supp** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:17 pm

Hi.

can you be a little more specific about what you mean by 'touch up' text ?

walterh · Post by **walterh** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:39 pm

'touch-up text' .. the full acrobat version i have (an old but venerable one, version 5) has a 'touch-up text' feature which lets me select and change text within the document .. i can delete, add, retype, reposition, and to some degree set font attributes. these features are a bit more advanced in later versions.

its extremely useful if you have a doc with a typo or a small amount of editing you forgot to do before generating the pdf file. some of the other features like adding pages, deleting pages, appending pages etc i can more or less do with PDFCreator when i dont have acrobat 5 around (i only have it in one work location)

-W

Bhikkhu Pesala · Post by **Bhikkhu Pesala** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:15 am

The free PDF Viewer cannot edit documents, but you can type onto a document using text with a white background to cover any typos.

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:49 am

Getting (sort of) back on topic, I've just tried a simple experiment:

Word.doc, 32pp, few simple B&W drawings, 293kB
Print to PDF Facory Pro, PDF=177kB
Print to Kyocera printer, spool size=379kB, takes ~1s
Open PDF in PDF-X, print to Kyocera, spool size=21.5MB, takes ~10s
Print as image to Kyocera, spool size=21.8MB, takes ~3min!

Can't compare with other viewers as I don't have any

Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:58 am

when you saying " takes ~3min!" which time you mean? time of rasterization, or when rasterization is finished and page is out from the printer ?

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:59 pm

I didn't actually print this (I used to print hundreds a year, but don't need any now); it was from pressing 'Print' to the time that the progress bar stopped and the spooled file stopped incrementing.
As printers vary widely in handling jobs, it's a variable which isn't pertinent - the printer wasn't switched on - I just wanted to compare the two methods.

Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:53 am

Can you send me this PDF file you had create from Word document? And please say settings of your Kyocera printer.

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Well, yes I can, but the test was simply to compare two methods of printing, not to see the absolute time. As this subject is is about time to spool and print, the document its self (unless abnormal in some way) and the printer (unless set up in a way that would cause excessive processing) are not really relevant; even then, the test was a straightforward comparison with only one [realistic] variable.

BTW, as I don't own this document, I'll send it by e-mail: is there a method for this, pleas?

Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:29 pm

sure, you can send it on my email: Ivan@tracker-software.com.

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:03 pm

Ivan,

Did you get the file? It appeared to upload, but there's also a copy in Drafts, so I'm not sure if it went or not.

Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:50 am

Yes, I got your file.
About spool size and times.

"Open PDF in PDF-X, print to Kyocera, spool size=21.5MB, takes ~10s" -- size is bigger than into another application because for now viewer prints text using curves, not fonts. This will be changed soon.

"Print as image to Kyocera, spool size=21.8MB, takes ~3min!" -- size (and time) depends of printer's resolution. Into build 38 we are planning to add option to specify rasterization DPI for "print as image" option.

Giraffe · Post by **Giraffe** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:59 pm

Thanks Ivan - good news.

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